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    I wuv you all!

    #231406 Reply

    when i said “i wonder why?” i was not wondering why the thousands of people are susceptible to the manipulation, i was wondering why certain people are DOING the manipulating… it makes me wonder what their motives are. you would think One World Government wouldn't require religious delusion… just policies and legislation… right? but who knows…

    because people are fucked up and crave power and money?

    #231407 Reply

    the “wake up” stuff implies that people are stupid if they don't agree with you.

    Anyhoo, I have thought about this long and hard but feel that my last sentence sums it up for me. I don't feel a need to convince anyone that I am right or wrong. It is right for me  and my reasons are above. If it is not right for you then that is okay too.

    I have a weird view on things that are probably best kept to myself. I think that life begins with darkness and only through coming through darkness will we become light so to speak. One of my favorite sayings is, “Although I admire the light for it's brilliant beauty, I shall live in the darkness for it shows me the stars”. Look how conscious people and active they have become after the Bush years as an example. I think we are better off to have confronted things to see how we really feel and , personally, I think that eventually globalism will show itself as a great benefit to humankind and hasten our ascension as the human race and become known as the planet where Earthlings are from in the greater cosmic community.

    #231408 Reply
    Machi

    the “wake up” stuff implies that people are stupid if they don't agree with you.

    thank you Jeff, I agree 100%, there have been a lot of other “wake up” calls on forums lately  🙂

    #231409 Reply

    jeff, the words “wake up” do not imply that, and because i am the one who said it, I can assure you that I had no intention of implying that by saying it. it's your own fault if you take it in that way.

    what i was intending to imply by saying “wake up” is saying “please think and read more fully about this topic before giving your opinion on it”, because the topic was not “Do you support Globalism / Global Government?”

    rather, the topic was more along the lines of, “do you support a One World Government being forced on us by super-wealthy, greedy folks, that think they have the right to control the world's economy and policies without first getting our consent?”

    and your response was “i support Global Government!” which to me suggested that you were most likely half-asleep when you read this thread, or just not taking the time to read it fully and think about it seriously, before giving your reply.

    sorry if you thought i was calling you stupid by saying “wake up”, but I can assure you that I did not call you stupid nor imply that you were stupid, because you are a very, very intelligent and creative person, who I have an enormous amount of respect for.

    Next time i will try to more accurately express what I mean, perhaps by saying “Wow Jeff, do you really support these rich and greedy men's ideas of a One World Government which they are trying to force on the world?”, and perhaps in doing so, i could avoid mistakenly causing someone to feel offended.

    sorry for my poor wording.

    -Abe

    #231410 Reply
    Robyo
    Participant

    just a humorous and insightful bulletin from a friend I wanted to repost. 🙂

    “Here is a host of shadowy plots crazy enough to come with a complimentary tinfoil hat
    …all of which actually happened.

    The Business Plot

    The Plan:

    In 1933, group of wealthy businessmen that allegedly included the heads of Chase Bank, GM, Goodyear, Standard Oil, the DuPont family and Senator Prescott Bush tried to recruit Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler to lead a military coup against President FDR and install a fascist dictatorship in the United States. And yes, we're talking about the same Prescott Bush who fathered one US President and grandfathered another one.

    Prescott Bush

    How did that work out?

    A good rule of thumb: never trust a man named Smedley to run your hostile military coup for you. Besides being no fan of fascism, Smedley Butler was both a patriot and a vocal FDR supporter. Apparently none of these criminal masterminds noticed that their prospective point man had actively stumped for FDR in 1932.

    Smedley spilled the beans to a congressional committee in 1934. Everyone he accused of being a conspirator vehemently denied it, and none of them were brought up on criminal charges. Still, the House McCormack-Dickstein Committee did at least acknowledge the existence of the conspiracy, which ended up never getting past the initial planning stages.

    Though many of the people who had allegedly backed the Business Plot also maintained financial ties with Nazi Germany up through America's entry into World War II. But at least the United States never ended up becoming a fascist dictatorship (give it a week or two)

    The lesson here? Fascist or not, you don't fuck around with guys named Smedley or Dickstein.

    The July 20 Plot

    The Plan:

    Near the end of WWII, things were rapidly going south for Germany and the time seemed ripe for guilt-ridden Nazi officers to assassinate Hitler and overthrow his government. Colonel Henning von Tresckow recruited Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg to join the conspiracy in 1944.

    The plot to take out Hitler and then all of his loyal officers was called Operation Valkyrie, based on the belief that no plan can fail if it has a cool enough name.

    How did that work out?

    In July 1944, Stauffenberg was promoted so that he could now start attending military strategy meetings with Hitler himself. On more than one occasion Stauffenberg planned to kill Hitler at such a meeting with a briefcase bomb, but he always held off because he also wanted to take out Hitler's two right-hand men, Hermann Goering and Heinrich Himmler. On July 20, he went for it anyway and exploded a bomb inside Hitler's conference room with a remote detonator.

    Hitler, who as a level-20 dark wizard had extraordinary damage absorption abilities, survived with only minor injuries.

    Stauffenberg fled when he found out his assassination attempt had failed and that the Fuhrer was explosion-proof. When the other conspirators found out that Hitler was still alive, they lost their nerve and Operation Valkyrie never went into effect. After the coup never got off the ground, several conspirators committed suicide, and Fromm turned in the rest to save his own skin. Unfortunately for him, Hitler wasn't nearly as forgiving as his fiery public speeches and penchant for genocide would lead you to believe, and Fromm was executed along with the remaining conspirators.

    The good news for the legacy of Claus von Stauffenberg is that he's become something of a folk hero in Germany, a symbol of conscientious resistance to the Nazi regime. They're even making a movie about him, called Valkyrie. The bad news for his legacy …

    … is that he's going to be played by Tom Cruise.

    Operation Ajax

    The Plan:

    For years, Britain had a spiffy trade deal with Iran regarding their prodigious oil fields. The Anglo-Iranian Oil Company was basically a giant money machine for the Anglo half, while the Iranian half got shafted. That all changed in 1951 when Iran nationalized the AIOC and the Iranian parliament elected Mohammed Mossadegh as Prime Minister. Mossadegh was relatively secular, something that pissed of Iranian clerics, but he was also very nationalistic. When Britain tried to regain control of the AIOC, he gave them the finger. Tea was spilled, crumpets were dropped and monocles everywhere popped out in shock.

    Britain

    You can guess what happened next. Jolly old England went to its ally, the United States, and convinced President Dwight D. Eisenhower to help overthrow the democratically elected leader of Iran and install a pro-West monarchy. Together the CIA and British intelligence services funneled guerrilla troops, anti-Mossadegh propaganda and tons of bribes into Iran.

    How did that work out?

    In the short term? Great! The mostly ceremonial position of Shah (king) of Iran was restored to its former imperial glory, but this time as a puppet of the West. The White House and Tehran became BFFs, and as long as the US government overlooked the numerous human rights abuses happening in Iran, all was well.

    Until 1979, that is, when a pissed off Iranian populace finally revolted and replaced the monarchy with an anti-West Islamic Republic. One messy hostage crisis later, and Iran and the US were no longer BFFs. But hey, at least the US learned a very important lesson about overthrowing the governments of unfriendly Middle Eastern countries.

    The Gunpowder Plot

    The Plan:

    A group of conspirators (including Guy Fawkes, Natalie Portman and Hugo Weaving) decided to blow the fuck out of the British House of Parliament, thus killing pretty much all of the aristocracy, as well as King James I.

    In May of 1604, a group of Britons who were fed up with King James's rule met with Robert Catesby. As Catholics, they were tired of the Protestant government. In accordance with the teachings of their faith, they apparently decided that the best way to solve their problems was to kill everyone.

    The conspirators were taking up residence across the street from The House of Lords, the building the upper house of parliament met in. Their original plan was to burrow their way to the underground foundation of The House of Lords, and lay their explosives there. When that proved to be more difficult than they had originally planned, they decided to just rent a room in the cellar of building. The explosives were quickly moved into place, and all that was left was to wait for the annual Opening of Parliament.

    How did that work out?

    While they were waiting, one of the conspirators sent a letter to Lord Monteagle, a high ranking Catholic, which basically said, “Hypothetically, we could blow up Parliament on the day it opens this year. So don't go, hypothetically speaking.” This proved to be their undoing, as Lord Monteagle immediately passed the news on to the Secretary of State. The House of Lords was searched, and Guy Fawkes, the man left in charge of watching the explosives, was found and arrested.

    Lord Monteagle

    None of the protestant politicians were killed, but the plan wasn't a complete failure. King James admitted in a speech that not all Catholics were as crazy as the ones arrested in connection with the plot, which is good, because a lot of historians have suggested that if the plot succeeded, there would have been a very violent backlash against Catholic communities. Plus, England now celebrates Guy Fawkes night every November 5th.

    Apparently the conspirators had also planned to kidnap the royal children, as well as incite a revolt. However, they never made it to this part of their plan due to the fact that they had been hung and eviscerated.

    The Tuskegee Experiment

    The Plan:

    Sometimes referred to as the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, the idea was that the United States government was going to monitor the effects of syphilis and perform experiments on those who had a developed form of the disease. That doesn't sound so bad, right? Well you're a terrible person for thinking that, because the experiments were exclusively performed without consent, and on the very poor, mostly illiterate black males.

    These men weren't told that they had syphilis and were denied proper treatment for their disease. Because that would have skewed the results, you see. But hey, at least the government promised free burials to those who died.

    How did that work out?

    The study (started in 1932 in Tuskegee, Alabama) eventually rounded up 400 black men in a move that would inspire Rage Against the Machine-esque lyrics for years to come. But, contrary to conspiracy enthusiasts, they did not actually give people syphilis, they just examined the symptoms of people who already had the disease. Then, things got out of hand:

    Doctor 1: “Darn. I'm afraid that we might not get the numbers we want for the next part of this study.”

    Doctor 2: “Why is that?”

    Doctor 1: “Because it involves administering a painful and dangerous spinal tap for no medical reason.”

    Doctor 2: “Hmm … Well, why don't we just underline the word “Free” and tell them that it's a special treatment for their symptoms.”

    Doctor 1: “But, wouldn't that be a horrible lie?”

    Doctor 2: “A horrible what?”

    When there was a national campaign to use penicillin to stamp out the disease, those in the study were denied access. If they complained loudly enough, they were given a placebo and then sent back home to die. But not before scientists poked and prodded them for the remaining years of their life.

    It took until 1972 for someone to blow the whistle on all of this. That's 40 years. And that's after Peter Buxtun, the whistle blower, went to the Center for Disease Control, which told him that they would absolutely end this barbaric experiment, just as soon as they completed the last stage of the study. That stage involved studying the corpses of the subjects, and of course they couldn't do that quite yet because some were stubbornly still alive.

    Buxtun then found a more receptive audience:

    As a result, in 1974 they passed the National Research Act, which finally closed the apparent loophole in American law that said it was OK for mad scientists to kill people in their experiments.

    Operation Snow White

    The Plan:

    Some time during the 1970s, the Church of Scientology decided that they'd had enough. Their religion about magic space aliens in a volcano wasn't getting the same respect as the religion about the magic bearded man whose dad made us all out of mud 6,000 years ago. Instead of converting to a slightly less silly religion, they did what any of us would have done and decided to destroy every single document that made their religion look bad, presumably including a trip into the future to destroy every copy of Battlefield Earth.

    How did that work out?

    Disturbingly well, at least for a little while. Apparently, the Church of Scientology managed to perform the largest infiltration of the United States government in history. Ever. With all the people who have wanted to get their dirty little hands on incriminating records, the United States of America was finally duped by the people who came up with Dianetics. So those billions of dollars we put into national security annually are clearly well spent.

    Anyway, somewhere around 5,000 of Scientology's crack commandos wiretapped and burglarized various agencies. They stole hundreds of documents, mainly from the IRS. No critic was spared, and in the end, 136 organizations, agencies and foreign embassies were infiltrated.

    When all of this hit the fan, the Church naturally denied it. Then they kidnapped one of the operatives arrested for stealing documents and prevented him from testifying. These days, the Church of Scientology generally refuses to talk about Operation Snow White, except to say that they “purged” those who were involved. They won't say what the guilty parties were involved in, and those who were purged still hold high ranking offices in the Church, but goddamn it, they were purged for their involvement.

    Project MKULTRA

    The Plan:

    Don't be fooled. Project MKULTRA isn't the misspelled secret recipe to McDonald's newest hamburger. It was actually a series of CIA experiments in which they tried to figure out how to control your mind. Over a hundred sub-projects were authorized under the MKULTRA heading, though the documents on many of those have been destroyed.

    How did that work out?

    If you listen to late night talk radio, then you've probably already heard of Project MKULTRA. Paranoid schizophrenics from coast to coast like to call in to recount their harrowing tales of psychic violation at the hands of the CIA. Turns out the schizophrenics got something right though, because Project MKULTRA was an actual series of experiments started on April 13, 1953.

    You can decide for yourself whether or not the late-night radio callers are actually victims of these experiments, though we would like to suggest that if they are all telling the truth, it's strange that the CIA would only experiment on nocturnal conspiracy-nuts.

    The project started out as a response to rumors of Communist mind control being used on American prisoners from the Korean War. Afraid of being left in the enemy's pseudo-scientific dust, the CIA quickly jumped on the mind control bandwagon. However, they got their procedures wrong in one crucial aspect; instead of experimenting on enemy prisoners that the national media wouldn't miss, they decided to go ahead and start jamming probes and shooting drugs into unwitting United States citizens.

    Did we mention that these experiments resulted in at least one death? Or that experiments done on people seeking treatment for minor psychological issues (such as anxiety) often caused them to suffer permanent comas and/or incontinence? Or that the CIA themselves admitted that the experiments made no scientific sense?

    The project was eventually found out, and the CIA was given a stern talking to.

    As far as anyone can tell, they were unable to succeed in finding a way to control the way people act or think. Though we'd probably say the same thing if they had succeeded.”

    #231411 Reply
    Nameless One
    Participant

    i wonder why? does anyone here care?

    I somewhat doubt anyone here had heard of these kooks before you brought attention to them.

    #231412 Reply

    just a humorous and insightful bulletin from a friend I wanted to repost. 🙂

    “Here is a host of shadowy plots crazy enough to come with a complimentary tinfoil hat
    …all of which actually happened.

    The Business Plot

    The Plan:

    In 1933, group of wealthy businessmen that allegedly included the heads of Chase Bank, GM, Goodyear, Standard Oil, the DuPont family and Senator Prescott Bush tried to recruit Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler to lead a military coup against President FDR and install a fascist dictatorship in the United States. And yes, we're talking about the same Prescott Bush who fathered one US President and grandfathered another one.

    Prescott Bush

    How did that work out?

    A good rule of thumb: never trust a man named Smedley to run your hostile military coup for you. Besides being no fan of fascism, Smedley Butler was both a patriot and a vocal FDR supporter. Apparently none of these criminal masterminds noticed that their prospective point man had actively stumped for FDR in 1932.

    Smedley spilled the beans to a congressional committee in 1934. Everyone he accused of being a conspirator vehemently denied it, and none of them were brought up on criminal charges. Still, the House McCormack-Dickstein Committee did at least acknowledge the existence of the conspiracy, which ended up never getting past the initial planning stages.

    Though many of the people who had allegedly backed the Business Plot also maintained financial ties with Nazi Germany up through America's entry into World War II. But at least the United States never ended up becoming a fascist dictatorship (give it a week or two)

    The lesson here? Fascist or not, you don't fuck around with guys named Smedley or Dickstein.

    The July 20 Plot

    The Plan:

    Near the end of WWII, things were rapidly going south for Germany and the time seemed ripe for guilt-ridden Nazi officers to assassinate Hitler and overthrow his government. Colonel Henning von Tresckow recruited Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg to join the conspiracy in 1944.

    The plot to take out Hitler and then all of his loyal officers was called Operation Valkyrie, based on the belief that no plan can fail if it has a cool enough name.

    How did that work out?

    In July 1944, Stauffenberg was promoted so that he could now start attending military strategy meetings with Hitler himself. On more than one occasion Stauffenberg planned to kill Hitler at such a meeting with a briefcase bomb, but he always held off because he also wanted to take out Hitler's two right-hand men, Hermann Goering and Heinrich Himmler. On July 20, he went for it anyway and exploded a bomb inside Hitler's conference room with a remote detonator.

    Hitler, who as a level-20 dark wizard had extraordinary damage absorption abilities, survived with only minor injuries.

    Stauffenberg fled when he found out his assassination attempt had failed and that the Fuhrer was explosion-proof. When the other conspirators found out that Hitler was still alive, they lost their nerve and Operation Valkyrie never went into effect. After the coup never got off the ground, several conspirators committed suicide, and Fromm turned in the rest to save his own skin. Unfortunately for him, Hitler wasn't nearly as forgiving as his fiery public speeches and penchant for genocide would lead you to believe, and Fromm was executed along with the remaining conspirators.

    The good news for the legacy of Claus von Stauffenberg is that he's become something of a folk hero in Germany, a symbol of conscientious resistance to the Nazi regime. They're even making a movie about him, called Valkyrie. The bad news for his legacy …

    … is that he's going to be played by Tom Cruise.

    Operation Ajax

    The Plan:

    For years, Britain had a spiffy trade deal with Iran regarding their prodigious oil fields. The Anglo-Iranian Oil Company was basically a giant money machine for the Anglo half, while the Iranian half got shafted. That all changed in 1951 when Iran nationalized the AIOC and the Iranian parliament elected Mohammed Mossadegh as Prime Minister. Mossadegh was relatively secular, something that pissed of Iranian clerics, but he was also very nationalistic. When Britain tried to regain control of the AIOC, he gave them the finger. Tea was spilled, crumpets were dropped and monocles everywhere popped out in shock.

    Britain

    You can guess what happened next. Jolly old England went to its ally, the United States, and convinced President Dwight D. Eisenhower to help overthrow the democratically elected leader of Iran and install a pro-West monarchy. Together the CIA and British intelligence services funneled guerrilla troops, anti-Mossadegh propaganda and tons of bribes into Iran.

    How did that work out?

    In the short term? Great! The mostly ceremonial position of Shah (king) of Iran was restored to its former imperial glory, but this time as a puppet of the West. The White House and Tehran became BFFs, and as long as the US government overlooked the numerous human rights abuses happening in Iran, all was well.

    Until 1979, that is, when a pissed off Iranian populace finally revolted and replaced the monarchy with an anti-West Islamic Republic. One messy hostage crisis later, and Iran and the US were no longer BFFs. But hey, at least the US learned a very important lesson about overthrowing the governments of unfriendly Middle Eastern countries.

    The Gunpowder Plot

    The Plan:

    A group of conspirators (including Guy Fawkes, Natalie Portman and Hugo Weaving) decided to blow the fuck out of the British House of Parliament, thus killing pretty much all of the aristocracy, as well as King James I.

    In May of 1604, a group of Britons who were fed up with King James's rule met with Robert Catesby. As Catholics, they were tired of the Protestant government. In accordance with the teachings of their faith, they apparently decided that the best way to solve their problems was to kill everyone.

    The conspirators were taking up residence across the street from The House of Lords, the building the upper house of parliament met in. Their original plan was to burrow their way to the underground foundation of The House of Lords, and lay their explosives there. When that proved to be more difficult than they had originally planned, they decided to just rent a room in the cellar of building. The explosives were quickly moved into place, and all that was left was to wait for the annual Opening of Parliament.

    How did that work out?

    While they were waiting, one of the conspirators sent a letter to Lord Monteagle, a high ranking Catholic, which basically said, “Hypothetically, we could blow up Parliament on the day it opens this year. So don't go, hypothetically speaking.” This proved to be their undoing, as Lord Monteagle immediately passed the news on to the Secretary of State. The House of Lords was searched, and Guy Fawkes, the man left in charge of watching the explosives, was found and arrested.

    Lord Monteagle

    None of the protestant politicians were killed, but the plan wasn't a complete failure. King James admitted in a speech that not all Catholics were as crazy as the ones arrested in connection with the plot, which is good, because a lot of historians have suggested that if the plot succeeded, there would have been a very violent backlash against Catholic communities. Plus, England now celebrates Guy Fawkes night every November 5th.

    Apparently the conspirators had also planned to kidnap the royal children, as well as incite a revolt. However, they never made it to this part of their plan due to the fact that they had been hung and eviscerated.

    The Tuskegee Experiment

    The Plan:

    Sometimes referred to as the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, the idea was that the United States government was going to monitor the effects of syphilis and perform experiments on those who had a developed form of the disease. That doesn't sound so bad, right? Well you're a terrible person for thinking that, because the experiments were exclusively performed without consent, and on the very poor, mostly illiterate black males.

    These men weren't told that they had syphilis and were denied proper treatment for their disease. Because that would have skewed the results, you see. But hey, at least the government promised free burials to those who died.

    How did that work out?

    The study (started in 1932 in Tuskegee, Alabama) eventually rounded up 400 black men in a move that would inspire Rage Against the Machine-esque lyrics for years to come. But, contrary to conspiracy enthusiasts, they did not actually give people syphilis, they just examined the symptoms of people who already had the disease. Then, things got out of hand:

    Doctor 1: “Darn. I'm afraid that we might not get the numbers we want for the next part of this study.”

    Doctor 2: “Why is that?”

    Doctor 1: “Because it involves administering a painful and dangerous spinal tap for no medical reason.”

    Doctor 2: “Hmm … Well, why don't we just underline the word “Free” and tell them that it's a special treatment for their symptoms.”

    Doctor 1: “But, wouldn't that be a horrible lie?”

    Doctor 2: “A horrible what?”

    When there was a national campaign to use penicillin to stamp out the disease, those in the study were denied access. If they complained loudly enough, they were given a placebo and then sent back home to die. But not before scientists poked and prodded them for the remaining years of their life.

    It took until 1972 for someone to blow the whistle on all of this. That's 40 years. And that's after Peter Buxtun, the whistle blower, went to the Center for Disease Control, which told him that they would absolutely end this barbaric experiment, just as soon as they completed the last stage of the study. That stage involved studying the corpses of the subjects, and of course they couldn't do that quite yet because some were stubbornly still alive.

    Buxtun then found a more receptive audience:

    As a result, in 1974 they passed the National Research Act, which finally closed the apparent loophole in American law that said it was OK for mad scientists to kill people in their experiments.

    Operation Snow White

    The Plan:

    Some time during the 1970s, the Church of Scientology decided that they'd had enough. Their religion about magic space aliens in a volcano wasn't getting the same respect as the religion about the magic bearded man whose dad made us all out of mud 6,000 years ago. Instead of converting to a slightly less silly religion, they did what any of us would have done and decided to destroy every single document that made their religion look bad, presumably including a trip into the future to destroy every copy of Battlefield Earth.

    How did that work out?

    Disturbingly well, at least for a little while. Apparently, the Church of Scientology managed to perform the largest infiltration of the United States government in history. Ever. With all the people who have wanted to get their dirty little hands on incriminating records, the United States of America was finally duped by the people who came up with Dianetics. So those billions of dollars we put into national security annually are clearly well spent.

    Anyway, somewhere around 5,000 of Scientology's crack commandos wiretapped and burglarized various agencies. They stole hundreds of documents, mainly from the IRS. No critic was spared, and in the end, 136 organizations, agencies and foreign embassies were infiltrated.

    When all of this hit the fan, the Church naturally denied it. Then they kidnapped one of the operatives arrested for stealing documents and prevented him from testifying. These days, the Church of Scientology generally refuses to talk about Operation Snow White, except to say that they “purged” those who were involved. They won't say what the guilty parties were involved in, and those who were purged still hold high ranking offices in the Church, but goddamn it, they were purged for their involvement.

    Project MKULTRA

    The Plan:

    Don't be fooled. Project MKULTRA isn't the misspelled secret recipe to McDonald's newest hamburger. It was actually a series of CIA experiments in which they tried to figure out how to control your mind. Over a hundred sub-projects were authorized under the MKULTRA heading, though the documents on many of those have been destroyed.

    How did that work out?

    If you listen to late night talk radio, then you've probably already heard of Project MKULTRA. Paranoid schizophrenics from coast to coast like to call in to recount their harrowing tales of psychic violation at the hands of the CIA. Turns out the schizophrenics got something right though, because Project MKULTRA was an actual series of experiments started on April 13, 1953.

    You can decide for yourself whether or not the late-night radio callers are actually victims of these experiments, though we would like to suggest that if they are all telling the truth, it's strange that the CIA would only experiment on nocturnal conspiracy-nuts.

    The project started out as a response to rumors of Communist mind control being used on American prisoners from the Korean War. Afraid of being left in the enemy's pseudo-scientific dust, the CIA quickly jumped on the mind control bandwagon. However, they got their procedures wrong in one crucial aspect; instead of experimenting on enemy prisoners that the national media wouldn't miss, they decided to go ahead and start jamming probes and shooting drugs into unwitting United States citizens.

    Did we mention that these experiments resulted in at least one death? Or that experiments done on people seeking treatment for minor psychological issues (such as anxiety) often caused them to suffer permanent comas and/or incontinence? Or that the CIA themselves admitted that the experiments made no scientific sense?

    The project was eventually found out, and the CIA was given a stern talking to.

    As far as anyone can tell, they were unable to succeed in finding a way to control the way people act or think. Though we'd probably say the same thing if they had succeeded.”

    awesome post Robyo. i was already familiar with most of the conspiracy-facts that you posted, but it is great that you posted them all in one place, for the Chilluminati folk to read. it amazes me how many years it took for the truth to come out about these very major conspiracies…  

    although i do not believe in one of the more recent conspiracy theories which suggests the human race is controlled by humanoid reptilian aliens, lol, I do believe that there are some major conspiracy theories currently out there which have quite a bit of fact to them, including:

    1. the 9/11 attacks being covered up by the Bush Administration
    2. Rockefeller / Rothschild plan for using America as a vehicle to invade the Middle East to secure oil and expand Israel.
    3. Rocekfeller plan for controlling America via his many foreign policy and financial organizations, to usher in a One World Government.
    4. information about UFOs and extraterrestrials being covered up and retained by the government

    cool post Robyo, thanks for the information.

    now it is time to put my tinfoil hat back on! 8)

    #231413 Reply
    Soze
    Keymaster

    Don't do it! Aluminium Foil Helmets are a conspiracy!!!

    http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

    Conclusion

    The helmets amplify frequency bands that coincide with those allocated to the US government between 1.2 Ghz and 1.4 Ghz. According to the FCC, These bands are supposedly reserved for ''radio location'' (ie, GPS), and other communications with satellites (see, for example, [3]). The 2.6 Ghz band coincides with mobile phone technology. Though not affiliated by government, these bands are at the hands of multinational corporations.
    It requires no stretch of the imagination to conclude that the current helmet craze is likely to have been propagated by the Government, possibly with the involvement of the FCC. We hope this report will encourage the paranoid community to develop improved helmet designs to avoid falling prey to these shortcomings.

    #231414 Reply

    el oh el  🙂

    #231415 Reply

    its amazing how many different places i find conversations like this going.  be it at work, at parties, on the internet, or in just passing by random people.  and the involvement of the 2012 info too.  people everywhere are talking about all of this.  and most just stick to fear like the masses have for many many years, but in this day in age alot more people seem to be questioning the “system”.  It makes me wonder if we could get past the wonder and question and finally unite as one tribe.  in my opinion the world is on edge again and big change is comming.  which way it goes is all up to the people not the governments.  “US” as people are in for change too….  i have felt that… 

    #231416 Reply
    Soze
    Keymaster

    I know it's totally like Y2K all over again… ;D

    #231417 Reply
    Nameless One
    Participant

    and most just stick to fear like the masses have for many many years, but in this day in age alot more people seem to be questioning the “system”.

    Spoken like someone who wasn't alive in the sixties… or, well, any of the other revolutionary times in our history.

    #231418 Reply
    edais

    I know it's totally like Y2K all over again… ;D

    Hahahaha  I really do think it is!

    its amazing how many different places i find conversations like this going.  be it at work, at parties, on the internet, or in just passing by random people.  and the involvement of the 2012 info too.  people everywhere are talking about all of this.  and most just stick to fear like the masses have for many many years, but in this day in age alot more people seem to be questioning the “system”.  It makes me wonder if we could get past the wonder and question and finally unite as one tribe.  in my opinion the world is on edge again and big change is comming.  which way it goes is all up to the people not the governments.  “US” as people are in for change too….  i have felt that…  

    Seriously, I feel I am in such a minority all the time.  Psygomin, you are right, I feel like I hear a lot of this stuff being talked about all the time, but when I actually sit down and think about it, it's really only from people in this and similar communities.  Not a bad thing at all, just interesting.  I don't think it means we're more enlightened about all these topics, I just think we like to analyze and talk about things more.  I really don't feel like the “world is on edge” maybe because the world has been on edge for quite some time now and I've gotten used to it?  You can tell me all the reasons about how we are destroying the environment, how the government is inching ever closer to controlling more and more of our lives, how a shift in consciousness is going to happen globally, how we need to rise up as a single tribe and question the system, how blah blah blah.  People have always been questioning the system since the system was solidified, because that's how democracy works.  That's how change happens.  

    So, it's great to question the system, challenge old ideas that are not evolving quickly enough and further progress.  But it's kind of a testament to how GOOD things are actually working, not how fucked up everything is.  I only seem to hear references to the latter.  The fact that we can all sit here on a pubilc forum and talk about all this stuff openly; the fact that people recognize that the world is long overdue for more compassion; the fact that we can commune at freaking psytrance parties: it's all great.  Everyone shouldn't get caught up in what's going to happen, or what they COULD be doing.  As long as you continuously do SOMETHING to better yourself and the world, well, in my opinion, that's enough.  I for one plan on doing a lot more, but it's enough.

    (Damn, it seems my protest of posting in these topics lasted all of a week…  ::) ;D)

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    i hate to say it Phil but a lot of people in this world, including myself, need / needed a 'wake up call' before they ever got motivated to do anything. for a lot of people, this is their wake up call.

    for me, it was getting kicked out of the University of Iowa due to underage drinking and poor grades.

    regardless of how negative you think these conversations are, the truth of the matter is that they will ultimately have a very positive impact. the fact that people are getting more politically involved is something that I have never seen happen in my life time. people are actually emailing, writing, and calling their congressmen, making sure their opinion is heard and taken into account, letting their political representatives know that we are watching, and if they don't act in our best interest, that we will see it, and there will be consequences.

    it is a very awesome time to be alive, even more so because of conversations like this, if you ask me. but hey, thats just my opinion…  🙂

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